MyDD :: Who wouda thunk it: DLC attacks Dean before he even speaks

Who wouda thunk it: DLC attacks Dean before he even speaks

by Parker, Fri May 20, 2005 at 08:44:53 AM EST

Friday, May 20, 2005
Note to Chairman

The Moose offers some advise to the Chairman.

Chairman Dean, on Sunday, the political cognoscenti will be tuned in to your smackdown with Tim Russert. Expect the usual attempt by Russert to get you to address some of your more controversial statements (which have been in abundance). However, this is also an opportunity for you to surprise us with a message that defies the conventional wisdom about the party and yourself.

In addition to the expected attacks on the GOP, you should also acknowledge the Democratic deficiencies in addressing the cultural concerns of Red America. You should also make a clear statement that Democrats believe that we must win in Iraq. It is fine to criticize the Administration's policies there, but you must send the signal that there is no substitute for victory.

Make the conservative case against the Republicans. In the past, you have effectively argued for fiscal responsibility. Make that case again and also argue against activist judges whether they are on the left or the right. Speak to those conservatives who were repulsed by the Republican Congressional intervention in the Schiavo case.

It would also be useful if you would clearly articulate a reform, outsider message. Get some advise from Congressman Emanuel who is the best Democratic messenger for reform. The Democratic line should not be one of merely criticizing Republican corruption, but also one of positive change. You should talk about uniting America once again and reaching out to moderate Republicans and independents. Be optimistic about America's future with Democratic leadership.

Mr. Chairman, we know that you can be a heated partisan, but can you also articulate an affirmative vision that will attract swing voters to the party? Recent polls suggest that the American people are becoming increasingly fed up with the behavior of both parties in Washington. Can you make an appeal to these voters with a message that defies the conventional partisan sniping? In your Sunday appearance, you should demonstrate that you are able to appeal to non-traditional Democratic constituencies as well as to the base of the party.

These jokers are a bunch of vile pissants.

I actually think I hate the DLC more than I do the GOP...at least the GOP are true to themselves and their party...the DLC are just rodents spreading pox and disease in the Democratic Party.

Notice how many times to say Dean should kiss GOP butt... I really think it is time for the DLC to start their own third party and leave us the hell alone.

Can you imagine Newt at the lowest point suggesting to the GOP to bend over and kiss Democratic hiney... NO.. and gues what they are now the majority while we are listening to whiney Bushiters in the DLC.

Tags: (all tags)

Permalink :: 60 Comments :: Post a Comment

Better Idea (none / 0)

Since you are going to fire at the DLC I am going to fire at you,

Why don't you leave and go to the greens, you seem to be a better fit with them anyway.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 09:24:14 AM EST

Re: Better Idea (none / 0)

Not at all...you are so the the far right of the Democratic party that you wouldn't no a Democratic principle if it kicked you in the ass.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 09:27:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This comment (none / 0)

is lame and unproductive... as is this comment I'm currently typing.

Invest in nature

by NCDem on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:53:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Better Idea (none / 0)

Why don't you join Zell Miller? You and Zell could be Bumblebee Buddies for attacking the Democratic party.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:07:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LOGIC (none / 0)

You fire shots at other Democrats, someone calls you on it. But it is you who are firing who is the real Democrat not the one defending the Democrats you are firing on it. Something is not quite right here.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 09:43:39 AM EST

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

THE EXTREMIST: You fire shots at other Democrats

That is the point ... the DLC are not Democrats. I think that hase been proven successfully.

Read this message again. They are "advising" the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee to roll over and play dead to the Republicans... only another Republican would do such a thing

The DLC are not even Moderate Repubs but wingnuts like their idol Zell... even Zell was more honest than these idiots and had the courtesy to leave the Democratic Party. I wish the rest of this lot would follow suit.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 09:59:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

Wrong Facts,

Actually for what its worth Zell has not left yet he is still a Democrat, albeit a Democrat for Bush.

as for the DLC not being Democrats, My state, Gov Mike Easley, DLC, Lt Governor Bev Purdue, DLC, Att Gen Roy Cooper, DLC, State Treasurer Richard Moore, DLC, Senate President Pro Tem Marc Basnight, DLC, Senate Majority Leader Tony Rand, DLC, State House Speaker Jim Black, DLC. There is not many elected officals here that are not DLC so if you are thowing all the DLC out of the party there will not be much left here in North Carolina to be Democrats. I know you may not care but for those of us who live here we do.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:18:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

THE EXTREMIST: Zell has not left yet he is still a Democrat, albeit a Democrat for Bush

Uh..yeah... so are the DLC?

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:35:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

Funny many poitical observers have metioned the NC Democratic Party as an example of what other states should follow particulry southern states. But according to you we are all Republicans anyway so just ingore the state of North Carolina

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:51:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

THE EXTREMIST: many poitical observers have metioned the NC Democratic Party as an example of what other states should follow particulry southern states

Why because losing a borderline state like NC even when the VP candidate is from there ...is a good thing?

NC just proved why getting southerner on the ticket is full of crap.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 11:05:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

After you purge all your members out just who is going to be left in the party.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 11:31:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

We will be the majority again, because real Dems will return after the impersonators leave.

Women will see the Democratic party as their natural home because real Democrats will protect their rights not only their right to choose but their right not to be harrassed when buying birth control pills. Right now the difference between the GOP and the DNC is fuzzy at best.

Labor will come back because Real Democrats will protect working people and will restore the travesty of lost Overtime pay and will close loophole that reward companies who export jobs

Families will come back to the Democratic party because Real Democrats know that children are our future and what is most important to families and will restore the public education system and increase access to health care.

Small businesses will come back to the Democratic party because Real Democrats will restore fiscal responsiblity that will enable the small business to be more profitable

All the people that the GOP hate and want to bascially murder that is non-Christians, Gay Lesbians, Blacks, Latinos, will see that the Democratic party stands for something that they too can believe in not just a lost of empty rhetico about tip toeing around the GOP.

So please do us all a favor and just leave because you do not like the Democratic party nor anything it stands for so go. Since you seem to like the GOP stances much more than Democratis stances then go to them or the Libertarians... believe me you will not be missed.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 11:45:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

In the morning I am going to be a delegate at the 10th district convention I doubt I will be able to formaly ask the convention if they would miss me, but on Tuesday our County is having an executive committee meeting since I am on the committee I could put it up for a vote. "I could say that some blogger named Parker wants all the conservatives to leave the party, and since I am a conservative that means me." If the committee votes me out I will change parties but if they reject it I will consider your suggestion bogus. I will ask the vice-chairman if we can vote on it if she say yes I will let you know.

As for your suggestion that if conservatives leave, I think the party will go back to the days of 1972 and 1984 when 49 state being lost were regualar.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 12:15:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

To this day you can not elaborate why you are a Democrat. There is not one Democratic principle you believe in...so my question is still valid why are you here? It would seem that you would be much happier in the GOP.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 12:51:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

Oh so you are really not interested in anyother Democrats opinion, just your's. I should leave because you want me to. Well I need a better reason than that, I have been involved with the Democtaic party for 20 years or more. I like the people I know in the Democratic party and they like me. I like our elected officals the one's I wrote on a few threads back, I can relate to them. As for you, I have said you should go green, your hatred would fit in over there. As for me I am happy where I am come to North Carolina and attend a party function, you may not like the lack of hatred but you might have a good time anyway.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:08:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

See you can't answer that basic question...which I have been asking for several days now. I believe in the principles of the Democratic party...that is why I am here not in the Green Party...again why are you here since you hate everything the Democratic party stands for.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:14:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

"I have been involved with the Democtaic party for 20 years or more. I like the people I know in the Democratic party and they like me. I like our elected officals the one's I wrote on a few threads back, I can relate to them."

I like it hear, I am not leaving any time soon, Tip O'Neil famous saying that "all politics are local". Parker that is something you either have forgotten or never used to begin with, but if you wish to know come here and you will find out not only why I am a Democrat but what the Southern Democratic Party is all about.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:59:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

NAME ONE DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLE YOU BELIEVE IN!!!!!

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 02:10:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

Here are some if you wish

http://www.msdemocrats.net/

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 02:16:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

you can't even articulated for yourself...

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 04:36:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

You have to actually show up and campaign in North Carolina.

Otherwise, it really doesn't matter if John Edwards is from the state or not.

by v2aggie2 on Sat May 21, 2005 at 02:05:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOGIC (none / 0)

Actually for what its worth Zell has not left yet he is still a Democrat, albeit a Democrat for Bush.

You and Zell have a lot in common, don't you?

by Gary Boatwright on Fri May 20, 2005 at 03:59:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Troll LOGIC (none / 0)

So The Bullshit Moose is your idea of a good Democrat? How many other Republican operatives do you admire? Is Ken Mehlman on your Christmas list?

by Gary Boatwright on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:09:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Troll LOGIC (none / 0)

Butticus claims not to be AndMoreAgain. Here is the link to the reason I believe Bruticus is also AndMoreAgain.

If you click on the link in my comment it takes you to AndMoreAgain's comments. If you look up at the top in the address field, the user ID is Bruticus.

I don't know or care why AndMoreAgain changed his user ID. I do know he is lying about it. Butticus is a pathological liar.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri May 20, 2005 at 02:08:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

fwiw (none / 0)

I don't think that "The Moose" equals "The DLC".

by bi66er on Fri May 20, 2005 at 09:45:36 AM EST

Re: fwiw (none / 0)

To Parker anyone whom he disagrees with is DLC.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 09:47:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: fwiw (3.00 / 1)

The Moose works for the DLC. Ask him, and he'll gbladly tell you.

by craverguy on Fri May 20, 2005 at 09:49:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: fwiw (none / 0)

no doubt, but he's not speaking on behalf of the DLC. To be sure, the DLC has its (some fair, some unfair) issues with Dean, but I just don't think that this is a formal DLC attack on Dean. It's just a BullMooseBlog attack on Dean.

by bi66er on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:17:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: fwiw (none / 0)

I'm not sure what "formal" means in this context, but this clown's blog is underwritten by and and published for the DLC (which, from a non-ideological, technology standpoint is cool. I wish there was more progressive blogger patronage).

by Patton on Fri May 20, 2005 at 11:18:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: fwiw (none / 0)

Yes, it does.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:53:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: fwiw (none / 0)

Visit the BullshitMoose website and tell me who the Bullshit Moose is linked to. The Bullshit Moose is without question a DLC sock puppet.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:11:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's a Pile-On (3.00 / 1)

Even The American Spectator is running a rumor that Dean will be replaced as DNC Chair. Must have been a slow Hilary Clinton newsweek.

There's only one reason why Dean's appearance on "Meet the Press" Sunday was announced earlier than usual--to give his opponents plenty of time to lob shit at him and to provide Tim Russert with his talking points. Hell, the RNC probably wrote Novak's column on Thursday.

I can just hear old Pumpkinhead now:

"Governor, what about these claims reported in the Washington Post..."

"What do you have to say about reports that you're going to be replaced..."

I hope Dean eviscerates Russert with a smile on Sunday.

by KimPossible on Fri May 20, 2005 at 09:52:06 AM EST

What Dean should ask Russert (3.00 / 2)

Dean should ask that pompous windbag how much money he has saved in taxes because of Bush's tax cuts and then he should ask him how many of his friends' kids are serving in Iraq. Go on the offensive with this idiot.

by mrgavel on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:18:07 AM EST

Against Russert, (none / 0)

Dean maybe crazy but I hope he is not an idiot. Do not attack Russert that is not a fight worth picking. Sam Donaldson well okay but Russert be real.

by THE MODERATE on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:26:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Against Russert, (none / 0)

That's right THE EXTREMIST advocates Dean should roll over and play dead like the rest of THE EXTREMIST Republican buddies in the DLC.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:33:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Russert is a hack (none / 0)

He's one of the biggest Bush sock puppets in the entire MSM. I guess that's why you admire him.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:05:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Russert is a Democrat (none / 0)

and he's a good interviewer. And yes, he's going to ask hardball questions... get over it.

Invest in nature

by NCDem on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:52:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Russert is a Bush Sock Puppet (3.00 / 2)

How could you possibly be that stupid?

by Gary Boatwright on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:05:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Russert is a Bush Sock Puppet (none / 0)

Let's break this down for you real simple-like...

Russert is a Democrat (see books that he's authored)
He's a hard-ball interviewer.

(GREAT interview with Colin Powell last year)

He's going to ask hardball questions.
Get over it.

Dean will do fine. It's really pathetic and Republicanesque to say, "Hey, he's gonna ask mean questions!" As long as Dean answers them, he'll do fine.

Invest in nature

by NCDem on Fri May 20, 2005 at 03:07:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What Dean should ask Russert (none / 0)

Russert is an obnoxious, pompous hack of inside-the-beltway crap. Don't get personal with him, he's not worth it. Just stick to your guns, Howard. The Republicans have used their chairmen as attack dogs consistently. Just light into Bush with a vengeance. If somebody's character is getting attacked it should be the troika of Bush, DeLay, and Frist and not Russert.

by David Kowalski on Fri May 20, 2005 at 02:00:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

maybe the DLC is right (2.00 / 2)

Maybe Howierd Dean needs to be attacked at all the stupidity coming from his mouth recently. But with Parker, if you not some kind of flaming socialist, there is something wrong with you. No Parker, Dean is an albatross around the neck of the Democrats. It's not wise to defend the indefensable.

by liebermanlives on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:53:43 AM EST

Re: maybe the DLC is right (none / 0)

You Sir, are a twit.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White on Fri May 20, 2005 at 10:54:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: maybe the DLC is right (none / 0)

Stunning Hypocrisy: Dean is an albatross around the neck of the Democrats coming from a peson who calls themselves LIEbermanlives.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.

by Parker on Fri May 20, 2005 at 11:02:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: maybe the DLC is right (none / 0)

Care to give some examples?

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics

by Alex Urevick on Fri May 20, 2005 at 12:43:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let me break it down for you. (none / 0)

The thing about Tom DeLay's jail sentence? It was a JOKE! Am I the only one here who found that joke funny?

by craverguy on Fri May 20, 2005 at 03:50:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Let me break it down for you. (none / 0)

He was speaking to party activists.
If he was going to say it anywhere, that would be the place.

Personally, I have no issue with Dean's statement. I really haven't given it any thought.

by v2aggie2 on Sat May 21, 2005 at 02:03:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What A Surprise!!! (none / 0)

I actually think I hate the DLC more than I do the GOP...at least the GOP are true to themselves and their party...the DLC are just rodents spreading pox and disease in the Democratic Party.

Do you really Parker? I never woulda thunk it.

And as far as the rodent comment goes- I'm sure that you agree that there is only one way to deal with these vermin- death!

Maybe it's just my Jewish upbringing, but I cringe any time I hear or read someone compare a person to lice, rats, or other vermin. Not that Parker or any other Dems have the power to do anything about those "vermin" at the DNC. but still, it's a little creepy.

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics

by Alex Urevick on Fri May 20, 2005 at 12:47:45 PM EST

I hereby invoke Godwin's law. (none / 0)

by craverguy on Fri May 20, 2005 at 03:54:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I hereby revoke your Godwin's law license (none / 0)

I was reffering to the general tendancy of people to dehumanize their enemies.

Do you really think that the Holocaust was the only time that one group of people referred to another as "vermin." Please- it wasn't even the only time Jews were compared to vermin. Yes the Nazi's used this to great effect, but so did we in WWII against the Japanese, and so do the Israelis today against the Palestinians.

Get a history book before you start pigeon-holing others comments, pigeon-brain!

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics

by Alex Urevick on Sun May 22, 2005 at 07:27:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You brought up your Jewish heritage... (none / 0)

...and then attempted to use it as a weapon by implying that Parker was Nazi-like in his desire to "exterminate" the DLC "vermin," which he didn't say.

You tried to compare the other side of the debate to Nazis. Therefore, I invoke Godwin's law on you.

by craverguy on Sun May 22, 2005 at 09:10:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You brought up your Jewish heritage... (none / 0)

First- I did bring up my Jewish heritage, but I didn't imply that Parker was Nazi-like, any more than I just implied that Israeli's are Nazi like.

And while Parker did not say he wanted to kill the "pox spreading vermin" within the Democratic Party, I am pointing out that in many, many occassions, this type of language leads to persecution and extermination of the "vermin." For a good non-holocaust example I suggest reading War Without Mercy which examines the Pacific front in WWII and the effect of dehumanization on the field of battle.

Shall we make this into a full history lesson on the cruelty of mankind? Maybe then you can stop reducing all of human history to one event...

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics

by Alex Urevick on Sun May 22, 2005 at 11:10:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not a DLC fan, but what's your problem? (none / 0)

I don't disagree with the advice Mr. Moose is giving our friend Howard here (except for the war thing). How is this an attack on Dean? The approach advocated by the Moose here is an approach that Dr. Dean has usually taken.

Address the cultural concerns of Red America? Wasn't it Howard that said he would be the one to communicate with the Confederate pick-up truck guys?

Make the conservative case against the Republicans (re: the deficit)? Wasn't it Howard that said that you can't trust Republicans with your money?

Even on the war issue? Wasn't it Howard that has repeatedly advocated against troop withdrawl? (Personally, I think we need to advocate an end to our involvement in the Iraq war)

What's your big problem here? I think our firebrand leader, Howard Dean, will do a great job on Meet the Press. Hopefully, Dr. Dean will continue to meet the press with greater frequency. However, I think the advice from the Moose is advice that will serve Howard well, not that he needs it. I think this is the approach the he would have taken anyway.

Check out Future Roots, for rootsrockreggaegrass from the heart of Oregon's beautiful Willamatte Valley!

by robin oz on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:01:28 PM EST

Re: I'm not a DLC fan, but what's your problem? (none / 0)

Who the hell is a former Republican operative to give advice to the DNC Chair? Maybe Dean should take advice from Robert Novak or Karl Rove.

The problem is that the Bullshit Moose is taking over Al From's job of shooting down other Democrats who are not DLC sock puppets.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri May 20, 2005 at 01:12:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Parker, what freaking planet are you from?? (none / 0)

The DLC are not Democrats. Then my dear idiot, what are they? They call themselves the DEMOCRATIC leadership council. but you and your socialist drivel can't figure that out. Another clone of the extremist left wing philosophy. Take off the blinkers boy. I'll take Lieberman over Howierd Dean anyday.

Oh and Mr. White, speak for yourself!!!!

by liebermanlives on Fri May 20, 2005 at 02:18:40 PM EST

Zell Miller still calls himself a Democrat. (none / 0)

But that doesn't necessarily make it so, now does it?

by craverguy on Fri May 20, 2005 at 03:51:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Parker, what freaking planet are you from?? (none / 0)

I'll take Lieberman over Howierd Dean anyday.

So will George Bush and the Republican party. Funny how your favorite Democrat is also George Bush's favorite Democrat.