Are you serious? Really? Are you? Please allow me to refer you to the flood of superdelegates ever since Super Tuesday, a flood that has continued unabated and will continue unabated.
Recent GE polls are the WHOLE reason we MUST elect Hillary, but when they look good for Obama they mean NOTHING?
You folks are tiresome and I won't miss these types of exchanges when this is finally over. At the same time, I wish the very best to the Clintons, who are icons of my (and your?) party.
Between the devil and the deep blue sea. I don't envy them.
I want answers damn it! Why are GE polls all-important when they favor Clinton and meaningless when they look good for Obama? Whey are the only GE polls that matter the ones that come in the middle of the Rev. Wright controversy instead of the ones now, or in a few weeks when he is the official nominee, or back in February when Obama was handing McCain his ass in the GE polls?
The superdelegates are choosing between two good candidates whose GE numbers are roughly the same even after Obama sustained an all-out assault on his electibility from both the Clinton camp and the Republicans, and one of who is the clear leader after fifty-something DNC-sanctioned contests.
all I said was that polls 6 months out are not particularly good indicators of the final result. I wasn't going around touting Clinton's poll numbers during the Wright publicity, either.
Not that it matters anymore, but I always have felt that Clinton was more electible than Obama not because of polls (public opinion can be fickle) but because of:
1) More relative experience and seasoning (at least to the perceptions of voters);
2) More relative strength in larger battleground states (partially because of the Clinton brand of moderate pragmatism and competence);
3) Better support demographics (women, Latinos, moderate to moderately conservative lower middle and middle class whites) for the general election than Obama's (African Americans, latte liberals, youth). Clinton's have expansion potential outside of the Democratic party. The first two of Obama's have little. The last one does but is often unreliable.
You owe me, everyone on this site, and everyone in the Democratic party answers as to why you are still trying to torpedo the all-but-certain Democratic nominee. It's time for unity, my friend. Hillary's on board. Most of her surrogates and financiers are on board. Now it's your turn.
and beat old man McCain in this political climate, we'd better pack it in and move to Canada.
What was trollable about that remark? Contentious maybe, but trollable?
I called this user out for TR abuse on another thread, and he/she immediately went to this thread and started TRing me here. Don't worry about it... he/she's been doing it for a long time.
A lot of the metaphysical TR abuse that has gone on in the blogosphere in general is probably a hangover 'from other threads'
No doubt about it... Everybody's gotta have a hobby...
TR'd for ratings abuse. My comment was impatient, contentious, and not that well thought out but I am not a troll and will never be one. I have voted for every Democrat in every race I have ever voted in. That will not change in November. I advocate for Democrats in every way that time will allow. I have NEVER hoped for any Democrat to lose in a general election. I am most certainly NOT a troll, nor was my comment in any way trollish.
The unity train is on its way and you are missing it. See the Rendell/Casey letter and the recent unity meeting between Clinton/Obama financial backers. See also the complete reversal of tone from the Clinton camp. No amount of troll rating abuse is going to change it.
Thank you for recognizing that. Since there is no rating for jusr plain old bad posts, I gave you a 1. I should also say that I know far more about what is actually going on behind the scenes. I won't descrobe details since I don't think you are quite ready to understand how politics works, or etiquette amongst those in power. If you read either of Senator Obama's books you will clearly see that he is a very intelligent, sophisticated person who does understand the trappings of power. No one in the campaign is advocating verbal thuggery to force anyone to get on the Unity train. Decisions were made weeks ago, fool. No one has sent the alert out for first time cattle prodders,fool.
TR'd for third-grade name-calling and personal attacks. The rating for "plain old bad posts" is "none." Anything else is ratings abuse.
I also love your "I know what's going on behind the scenes, but I won't tell you because you can't handle it" bit. Who was that Georgia Congressman who said going into the 2006 elections Bush had a "secret plan to end the Iraq War," but he wouldn't say what because then the terrorists would be expecting it. Thank you for reminding me of that entertaining moment in history.
Also, I don't need Obama to tell me what to do. I "cattle prodded" this person only because the subject line of the post irritated me, I was pissed, and I wrote it very rashly. I think I've already expressed in so many words that I wish I hadn't. Doesn't make me a "troll" or a "fool." Just a fallable human being.
And by the way, my new definition of a "fool" is anyone who in any way encourages or enables the election of a Republican President in 2008 after the past eight years.
Those are all very strong arguments for Clinton. Unfortunately, over the last six months or so, Obama's arguments seem to have been more compelling with both the voters and the party interests represented by the super delegates. It's been a close thing.
